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poet. marketing old rope, according to craig brown. craig brown. impressed by silver, characterss as wooden assab sent silver's leg. wooden assab sent silver's leg. judges also choose the review of vagina. vagina. my problem with wolf is long standing. long standing. she looks or climaxs it's about how she thinks or rather doesn't! she thinks or rather doesn't! winner of hatchethjob of the year doesn't get a big fat cheque. doesn't get a big fat cheque. recognition they get a year's supply of potted shrimp. supply of potted shrimp.
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telegraph, camilla long of the sunday times begged to differ. sunday times begged to differ. she can certainly be over dramatic. can certainly be over dramatic. she was on point. was on point. she was, more importantingly, funny. a worthy winner. congratulations to camilla long. i hope she likes potted shrimp. shrimp. next week we will reveal the winners of the kermode awards. the winners of the kermode awards. station kraftwerk will be having a run of performances in london. run of performances in london. is a bit from their sell—out show at turbine hall. good night.
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from ireland, to romania now implicated. implicated. we are learning something new about what we are eating. what we are eating. best make sure we know what's in our food, and where it comes from. our food, and where it comes from. we will hear from the prime minister of romania. minister of romania. page where labour's policy should be. be. what ed miliband's labour is for, what it should do. what it should do.
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greece's democracy itself could be in danger. in danger. minister promising the full force of the law. of the law. dodgy supposed beef which is actually mothers. actually mothers. relationship between meat packers and sources. and sources. passing off cheap meat as expensive. as expensive. minister tonight, but we have this coverage tonight. coverage tonight.
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forget it is actually about something quite simple. something quite simple. we know about the journey farm animals make from here to our plate. animals make from here to our plate. one world champion, who now runs an organic meat from in hampshire. organic meat from in hampshire. where every piece of meat is in this abattoir. this abattoir. other animal in that looks like something else. something else. plate, and to the outlet where we sell it. sell it. operation, not only do they farm sheep and cattle, but buffalo too. sheep and cattle, but buffalo too. parts of the chain here on the one site. from farm to abattoir to customer. customer.
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it possible to have this degree of safeguard all along the chain. safeguard all along the chain. microchip, beef cattle also have a passport and ear tag. passport and ear tag. but after slaughter, tracability gets harder. slaughter, tracability gets harder. processed, such as mince or other more complex products. more complex products. the ear tag, doesn't accompany that box of processed meat. box of processed meat. complex, difficult and, as we are finding, open to misuse. finding, open to misuse. can be a long one, and the paper trail complex. trail complex.
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food processor, wholesaler or directly to the consumer. directly to the consumer. most cases to a retailer or food outlet. outlet. officials try to work out what happened where. happened where. luxembourg, romania, and as we found out yesterday, the uk. found out yesterday, the uk. the farm, and in fact, the field that they are grazing in. that they are grazing in. because you are not having that levels of tracability. levels of tracability. going to be only at the value end that the tracability is eradicated. that the tracability is eradicated. check what is in the supply chain is to test. is to test.
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to shift the balance towards more testing. testing. they only test the things they expect to be there. they expect to be there. looking for horsemay meat in final products. products. country, and most of the retail as far as i can tell weren't either. far as i can tell weren't either. so you can only test for what you expect to be there. expect to be there. more, these things, ithink, are being missed. being missed. it'ss good. mormon torg of the meat supply chain. chain. sneak something in a little bit cheaper. cheaper. every type of industry trying to sneak something in.
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sneak something in. because they so regulate it, it makes it so expensive. makes it so expensive. there is either way to look at it. either way to look at it. had been passing off horse as beef, destined for kebabs and burgers. destined for kebabs and burgers. his lawyer said the agency's allegations are misleading. allegations are misleading. i get paid for doing the cutting up. paid for doing the cutting up. beef burgers this is not a processing plant. processing plant. this is purely production, meat cutting. production, meat cutting. back consumer confidence is more dna testing across the eu. dna testing across the eu. bute, used on horses, but should not be in the human food chain. not be in the human food chain.
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right across europe, to get to the bottom of this problem. bottom of this problem. marked "beef", and finding it contains horse. contains horse. got this meetinging pulled together at short notice today. at short notice today. come forward with proposelia that is we wanted. is we wanted. products, that will help reassure the consumer. the consumer. informed about what we are all eating. eating. romania is to blame for some of the adulterated meat products. adulterated meat products. confidence about how horsemeat is produced in his country. produced in his country.
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everything was according to the standards. standards. companies involved, and to rebuild the trust of the european consumers. the trust of the european consumers. the european system clearly isn't working? working?
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that means that the european procedures have worked. procedures have worked. that there are frauds in many other issues, not only in in this field. issues, not only in in this field. procedures even better than up to now. now. sorry to interrupt, what you do mean by making it even better. mean by making it even better. how turns up in our food and not tabled correctly. what has to work better? better?
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referring to this case, there was no import from romania to the uk. no import from romania to the uk. to cyprus, to some other european countries. countries. to find out exactly where the fraud has been committed. has been committed. rules for the future to avoid these kinds of frauds. kinds of frauds. stuff from abroad, that will hurt your industry? your industry? of one company, from romania or the uk. uk. responsibility we have is towards the consumers.
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the consumers. have the right to know the truth about the food. about the food. rightly informed and to know the truth. truth. scandal is going to affect some companies. companies. and they should be very harshly punished. punished. protect the honest companies and punish the dishonest ones. punish the dishonest ones. the fall guy and scapegoat for this? it could have been. not reacted very fast, and very clearly. clearly.
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because nothing happens in are you mainia. mainia. and secondly, to make better rules and better standards for the future. and better standards for the future. to buy cheap food might be damaging in the long run. in the long run.
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arejoined by the nfu president, peter kendall from brussels. peter kendall from brussels. where the blame lies in this, has there been a structural breakdown? there been a structural breakdown? i thought the interview with the romanian premier was spot on. romanian premier was spot on. of the british government was to blame the romanians. blame the romanians. and the romanians, if you notice, all along have said, hold on. all along have said, hold on. think, is this is a systemic failure. failure.
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contracts and specifications, have been busted apart. been busted apart. you can't say that's a bad apple. that's a bad apple. you can't say that is a rogue romanian. that is a rogue romanian. said the eu regulatory regime is one of the safest in the world? one of the safest in the world? this isn't about safety, this is about trust. so far it is not about safety. safety. consumer get what she or he expects to get? to get? demanded", that ain't what people have got with horse burgers. have got with horse burgers.
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more if the eu's plans for more ran dom testing comes in. dom testing comes in. —— random testing comes in. testing comes in. it sounds like a drop in the bucket? drop in the bucket? picking up something else from the shelves. shelves. about where food comes from, and the tests it goes through. the tests it goes through. consumers to look for the tracability of local supply chains. tracability of local supply chains. fraudster to get involved in that chain. chain. helps build trust between the farmer and the consumer. farmer and the consumer. beef" we want to believe absolutely that its british and it is beef. that its british and it is beef. but we don't know? we simply don't know?
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know? butcher's, you see the farm it has come from. come from. are trying to build that sort of relationship up. that's to be applauded. applauded. environmental stewardship, that's a great message. it need not cost the earth. earth. going into ordinary value lines as well. well. you have campaigned on this for quite some time. for quite some time. the lower end, the value end, it is very difficult, isn't it? very difficult, isn't it? it is not as if you can absolutely trace it. as if you can absolutely trace it. get our kebabs through some places in europe? in europe? in some instances it is worse than horsemeat. worse than horsemeat. that are actually extremely bad for you. you.
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prices the same as they have been in the past. in the past. particularly at the value end. value end. more air than actual product, and promotions. promotions. is just be clear with the consumer, food prices are going up. food prices are going up. we have to change our business model. to change our business model. have to be clear and straight with the consumer. the consumer. given that people are finding it hard to pay any way? hard to pay any way? are paying for food that isn't what it says often on the package. it says often on the package. of my poorest wards, or central london, they are smart people. london, they are smart people.
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give them the right information, they will make the right decisions. they will make the right decisions. at call costs at —— at all cost at all times. all times. less for good food as long as we know what we are getting? know what we are getting? we have had since 1846, is now being exposed. being exposed. commodity and exploitation of 2007/08. 2007/08. environment pays for it, laura's point is healthcare pays for it. point is healthcare pays for it. what we think is cheap food isn't. other bits are paying for it. in france that is the same? france that is the same? they pay a lot more.
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lot more. that they think is la5agne made from beef and it is not. from beef and it is not. it is not just about cheap food? it is not just about cheap food ? it is not just about cheap food? i take your point. point. saying, this is about the new complex long supply chains. complex long supply chains. model, we have to go for a different business model. different business model. can trust what will the eu or the british government do? british government do? we have to rectify and get the tests done. rectify and get the tests done. think tracability and insurance 5cheme5. 5cheme5. rigorous testing you have ever seen in the uk. in the uk. independent inspectors to come and check their farms. check their farms.
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confidence, and farmers paying other people to check on them. other people to check on them. you think farmers are up for more regulation. regulation. because other people are doing dodgy thing5? because other people are doing dodgy things? dodgy things? the supply chain, as long as retailers step up to the mark. retailers step up to the mark. in the uk and they don't apply elsewhere. elsewhere. don't monitor horse movements in the way we do cattle. the way we do cattle. this whole chain that horses haven't been monitored. haven't been monitored. need education and that's being introduced in the curriculum. introduced in the curriculum. need to value food in a very different way. different way.
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more skills to be able to actually manage a budget more effectively. manage a budget more effectively. you can't do that overnight? use it more effectively in our houses. houses. things now and say can we trust this and that in that tin. this and that in that tin. is this just the beginning of something? just the beginning of something? m could be. could be. testing is applied, you wonder what will be found out. will be found out. money and power and it is about control. control. the food standards agency, it became the european model. became the european model. european food safety authority, and so on. it is not doing itsjob. we have to make sure they do his or herjob. herjob.
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we need more inspectors, they have been slashed and cut. they have been slashed and cut. can't have industry policing itself, that is what has gone wrong. that is what has gone wrong. big food companies didn't actually have the control they said they had. have the control they said they had. stay with us for the front pages. that is dangerous to democracy itself. itself. answer is rather obvious, to oppose the coalition's cuts and austerity. the coalition's cuts and austerity. actually that is what labour's against. against. labour", there is a slogan, but what lies behind it. what lies behind it. policy review is the mp, jon cruddas. he has rarely given much away. tonight he mightjust do so.
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paper what the labour party might do in environment in 2015. do in environment in 2015. pitch the opposition into power in two—and—a—half years time. two—and—a—half years time. for one man, the paper isn't blank. man, the paper isn't blank. but bears the impression of this place. bears the impression of this place. eventually comes, it will have been made in dagenham. made in dagenham. tank, institute for public policy research. research. breaking one, last done before the 1997 labour landslide. 1997 labour landslide. thinks about the current economy, but less about society. but less about society. of society's sociologists, the barbers of barking and dagenham. barbers of barking and
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dagenham. —— barking and dagenham. back, 23 years ago, what were you doing? doing? at the time i was working for tony blair, actually. for tony blair, actually. commission was a landmark piece of work. work. became the agenda of the labour government. government. posed then are the right ones for today. today. welfare, housing, the labour market, whether we got that right. whether we got that right. stuff, and coming up with an agenda that is right for today. that is right for today. they let big companies get away with stuff? with stuff? living wage for everyone, that it shouldn't fall very low. shouldn't fall very low.
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that is live around here now. live around here now. go a good departure point for a labour agenda in the future. labour agenda in the future. they will spend and what they will cut until after the next election. cut until after the next election. does that work? stopped economically, we will have to start rebuilding it. to start rebuilding it. labour has to show it can do more with less? with less? absolutely, the money is not there. not there. the voters, trust this on the other side of an election? side of an election? understanding the direction we are going to take the country. going to take the country. destination two, the rosie lee.
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buildings and food he has almost nothing left. nothing left. what would help you, what can they do? what can they do? something is wrong with my tax. wrong with my tax. about raising the pay to make sure you get a living wage. you get a living wage. increase in living wage he wouldn't be affected by? be affected by? confront some of the big architectural questions. architectural questions. lower taxes, what would you do about that? about that? the debate you are experiencing simon. simon. where people feel they are getting squeezed from all angles. squeezed from all angles. we are not making a tax policy now, right. not making a tax policy now, right. about how you can get your wage rate that you can't live on. rate that you can't live on.
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labour government leaving power, they had done enough for you? they had done enough for you? no, not at the time. not at the time. i think that's why they had to leave power. they had to leave power. swallowed in terms of what you send out to your landlord. out to your landlord. that £25 billion housing benefit pot would be in their sights. pot would be in their sights. might cut it or give it back to councils to use to build houses. councils to use to build houses. three measures to deal with the cost of living. cost of living. more houses to bring down prices and rents. bring down prices and rents. wages to bring up pay packets and possibly even lower taxes. possibly even lower taxes. be done at a time of lower public spending. spending. will take aim at market failures, but also a bureaucratic state. but also a bureaucratic state.
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stepping into the parts of the welfare state. welfare state. broken, saturday is well, if embattled. embattled. session at the local boxing club, replace a trip to thejobcentre? replace a trip to thejobcentre? out there that can do the job of the state for less. the state for less. collapsed, we have to rebuild it in terms of what it could be. terms of what it could be. there is a lot of energy, but it has turned to dust. has turned to dust. you come down here tonight, what is your involvement with it? your involvement with it? attendance, and attitude to work and colleagues. and colleagues.
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jobs but not enough people to put them in. them in. around the corner, the dwp, they are reallyjust ticking a lot ofs. are reallyjust ticking a lot ofs. that is thejobcentre? that is the jobcentre? brokering jobs for some of these kids, they are not on the park. kids, they are not on the park. i like this as a working model. like this as a working model. would givejobcentre moneys to something like this? something like this? partnerships like this, this is the future as far as i see. future as far as i see. has moved in to feed the most vulnerable. vulnerable. thinks these are a positive development for us. development for us. these will be around definitely. around definitely. mosh pressure to get more and more food distributed. food distributed. couple of years this community has shown it has the capacity to do it. shown it has the capacity to do it.
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white goods, children's toys, it is possible. possible. it is the future and it is not going away. is not going away. in and rebuild safety nets as others disappear. others disappear. ideal, in welfare, those who have contributed deserve more back. contributed deserve more back. how long have you both been in work? work? be in work for 30 years you were saying? about 30 years now, continuously. what about you? work for about 20 years. for about 20 years. more confidence in the benefits system if that were the case. system if that were the case.
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get more, the more you paid in, the more you should get. more you should get. level of jobseeker‘s allowance than the £70 at the moment? the £70 at the moment? related element, the longer you contribute to the system. contribute to the system. would build more confidence in the benefits system. benefits system. an earning—related element to it years ago. years ago. not much time to go until the next election. until the next election. piece of paper, just no indelible ink. ink. i spoke tojon cruddas before coming on air. coming on air. going to be, whatever ed balls said you can afford ? going to be, whatever ed balls said you can afford? you can afford?
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there are outstanding economic issues. outstanding economic issues. are issues of expenditure, the financial envelope as they call it. financial envelope as they call it. that is a core element to it. will see the leader make a major economic speech in the morning. economic speech in the morning. morning of a major initiative around social policy. around social policy. just exclusively about the economic, but they are front and centre. but they are front and centre. finances, it is very hard for us to know what we can possibly say. know what we can possibly say. struck dumb, really, in the past two years. two years. of any substance, about what you would actually do? would actually do? really thorough process on going in terms of the policy review. terms of the policy review. timeline, the —— structure, the timelines, the responsibilities. timelines, the responsibilities. i'm involved in all those meetings and it is a lively process. and it is a lively process. confidently say we have a thorough process on going. process on going.
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you have a process, but the beef as it were? process, but the beef as it were? slightly inappropriate use of language there. language there. rather than the bull perhaps! bull perhaps! does come down to pwha you are going to have to afford. going to have to afford. —— to what you can are going it afford. you can are going it afford. said opposing the cuts without an alternative is no good? alternative is no good? are having and the ideas we have concluded and come to. concluded and come to. that will come later. there is a sequence. how much later? see this come into the public domain over the next months. domain over the next months. responsibilities, the deadlines and the ideas. the ideas. confidence that we those wheels turning. turning. will have a robust policy agenda to submit before the british people. eventually?
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months before the likely time of the next election. the next election. construction and the direction and leadership provided. leadership provided. give as you clue in terms of the ideology. clue in terms of the ideology. here, and tony blair's labour party was over here. was over here. where is ed miliband's labour party? miliband's labour party? electorate, excuse us coming in and saying there is an on—off button. saying there is an on—off button. i'm asking for a clue, the voters need a clue? need a clue? wanted the russians in to bust the police. police. tony blair came together for a brilliant model. for a brilliant model. hold on, just wait for one moment. just wait for one moment.
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british society, and come up with radical, new innovative thinking. radical, new innovative thinking. again, might say, i'm part of the commentary, where is the substance. commentary, where is the substance. i'm asking on behalf of the voters. we know it is one—nation labour, that is a great slogan. that is a great slogan. mean whatever you didn't like us before we are something different. before we are something different. what is the something different on that spectrum. that spectrum. ideolgically, michael foot, tony blair, where is ed miliband? blair, where is ed miliband? of economic policy articulated by our leader. our leader. couple of months ahead intervention on welfare, education, immigration. on welfare, education, immigration. this is some sort of take on what is going on. is going on. will deliver it to the british public.
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public. have been endlessly patient, and for two years. for two years. kind of clue, ideolgically, where you are? you are? the speech ed will make in the morning. morning. and all will be clear tomorrow night? tomorrow night? that is the trite flipantjournalistic reply. that is the trite flipa nt journalistic reply. that is the trite flipantjournalistic reply. flipantjournalistic reply. look at it and the commission on socialjustice. socialjustice. social policy in this country at the moment. the moment. i suggest you have a look at them. look at them. apart from opposing the cuts and austerity what you really stand for. austerity what you really stand for. that is a really big concern. why should they vote for you? should they vote for you? article in terms of the substantive policy ideas. policy ideas.
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the electorate a couple of years ago, we didn't come off too well. ago, we didn't come off too well. we have to thoroughly rebuild from the bottom up. the bottom up. we keep our mouth should we might get across the line, by default. get across the line, by default. is that ed balls's idea? that ed balls's idea? that will be delivered over the next months and years. next months and years. said this is about democracy and respecting the people. respecting the people. disappointed that ed miliband's first instinct was to say no? first instinct was to say no? he didn't say that. with all due respect. respect. commons, it was corrected later when he was rowing back? when he was rowing back? small ball around westminster to literally say what he said. what he meant. ah, what he meant. for our support of a possibility of a referendum down the road. a referendum down the road.
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repatriation of powers deployed by david cameron. david cameron. we will see where we goat to. goat to. democracy and supporting the people? people? it gives politics a bad name if! people? name if i disinvent things i said before taking on the job. before taking on the job. thank you very much. before the end of the programme we will have the front pages. will have the front pages. marxist prime minister, has upped the political ante in brussels. the political ante in brussels. of operate ago strategy of blackmail, terrorism and tension. blackmail, terrorism and tension. out if democracy really is in danger in greece. danger in greece. the piece contains flash photography. contains flash photography. crisis has given way to social crisis. crisis.
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strikes paralysing the capital and now political violence. now political violence. the headquarters of the ruling party. party. that pursued by the italian secret service in the 19705. service in the 19705. in 1969 a bomb in milan left 17 dead. dead. to be called, the strategy of tension. tension. the gospels of the present greek government. government. antonis samaras last year, has stablised the fiscal swaying. stablised the fiscal swaying. but it is politically fragile. it is politically fragile.
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europe's first marxist prime minister. minister. secret strategy of creating violent tension? tension? translation: it is not exactly a secret strategy. exactly a secret strategy. which aims at creating a sense of fear within the greek society. fear within the greek society. this strategy, i believe, is a very dangerous one, for democracy itself. dangerous one, for democracy itself. and the tension strategy, he is sadly mistaken. sadly mistaken. more, four anarchists were caught trying to rob bank. trying to rob bank. while being beaten in
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custody, allegedly. allegedly. use violence, and is regularly on the streets. the streets. has more experience on the streets than government. it has posed tough questions. questions. a party that can come to power and run the police force. run the police force. do about golden dawn and anarchist bank robbers. bank robbers. greek state falling apart and rebelling? rebelling? implement and rigidly follow the letter of the law. letter of the law. tolerance" towards golden dawn, which is gang breaking the law. which is gang breaking the law. will uproot all golden dawn cells within the government. within the government. using violence, who say they belong to the anarchist movement. to the anarchist movement.
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most authoritarian act one could exercise. exercise. a tube strike that patrol leased athens. athens. many say we are crying wolf to cover their on opposition. to cover their on opposition. mr tsipras is crying wolf. tsipras is crying wolf. pronouncement of mr tsipras, and throwing it back at him. that is true. true. has its strategy, which is to reveal what mr tsipras is about. reveal what mr tsipras is about. to the undecided voters. the undecided voters. because the undecided voters are not radicals. not radicals. winning the economic argument, and it is him who is on the ropes. it is him who is on the ropes.
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and your ro posed deal would have crashed the greek economy? crashed the greek economy? translation: no serious person could admit something like this. could admit something like this. reduced the internal demand by 70 billion euros. billion euros. the greek economy shrunk by 70 billion euros. shrunk by 70 billion euros. deciding to burn the entire for to get rid of the snake. get rid of the snake. it is sadistic be a surity. sadistic be a surity. just his own rallies where he is feted, he has been all over. feted, he has been all over. the men in black t—shirts are the only ones left expressing the anger. only ones left expressing the anger.
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out here, into a mass uprising against this government. against this government. serious question, and one all left oppositions have to answer? oppositions have to answer? translation: i think this is exactly our biggest advantage. exactly our biggest advantage. parliamentary opposition, and tomorrow the government. tomorrow the government. streets, fighting and mobilising the masses. the masses. in greece we have people that are committing suicide. people that are committing suicide. every day beaten by absolute despair. despair. to live, they need to defeat the fear and claim their rights. fear and claim their rights. in coming government did stablise things economically. things economically. the power to polarise and split greek politics. greek politics. that, really, is what mr tsipras is trying to do. what mr tsipras is trying to do.
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